Monday, April 11, 2005

"If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself"

You're on your own, you always were,
In a land of wolves and thieves.
Don't put your hope in ungodly men,
Or be a slave to what somebody else believes. - Bob Dylan

I know, I called a moratorium on Dylan lyrics. But it has been four days, and he's already said everything.

"Trust Yourself" is the best advice when wading into America's deep, weird end. Especially since, whenever we get over our heads in the bizarre black ops swamp of protected ritual abuse, it seems there's no avoiding Ted Gunderson. But is there any trusting him?

I don't know what to think about Gunderson. Or maybe I do, but I don't want to think it out loud. It would nice to assume the best intentions of everyone who takes up the cause of exposing these crimes. But because of the nature of the crimes, the names of the criminals, and simple human nature, I think it's prudent to assume several circles of disinformation before we reach something like the truth. And that makes me wonder, where do we find Gunderson?

One place we find him is in The Last Circle by "Carol Marshall" (real name Cheri Seymour): a samizdat sequel of sorts to the work which cost Danny Casolaro his life. "Unknown to me at the time," she writes, "I had taken a quantum leap in the direction of the Octopus when I contacted Ted Gunderson."

Here's Seymour's telling of her first meeting with Gunderson:

On November 30, 1991, Ted Gunderson opened the door at his Manhattan Beach home and ushered us into a small living room cluttered with toys. He made no explanation for the toys scattered around the floor and the couch, but offered coffee and donuts, then proceeded to eat most of the donuts himself. I had expected someone dripping with intrigue, instead he was classic in the sense of an investigator; rumpled shirt and slacks, nervous movements, distracted behavior. We sat on the couch bunched together amongst the toys. Gunderson pulled a kitchen chair up in front of us, leaned over and began stuffing his mouth with cheese and crackers, all the while talking, his body in perpetual motion. He was a big, handsome man with an aging face and tossled silver hair. He seemed entirely unaware of his appearance or the appearance of his home, but his pale eyes were intelligent and probing. Intuitively, I knew he was more than he appeared to be.

A young woman, perhaps early thirties, entered the room brushing long blond hair, still wet from the shower. Her faded jeans and sun-drenched appearance reminded me of friends I'd known growing up in Newport Beach. Gunderson introduced her as his "partner," as she seated herself silently on the floor next to him. The flush on her face brought a fleeting prescience to me that they had been making love shortly before the meeting.


The woman was Jackie McGauley, the first parent to believe her child was abused at the McMartin Daycare, the case with which Gunderson's name is most closely associated.

Two years ago McGauley wrote the following about her former boyfriend, which was quoted this past March 29 in an open letter from Barbara Hartwell to Noreen Gosch:

When I threw Ted Gunderson out of my house and figured out my damages, I found I was over $30,000 in debt. I was a single mother of 2 young children, only receiving $300 per month in child support. I was very ill the entire time Ted was in my house. Needless to say, the kids and I were destitute. I was unable to be very involved in the issue. Survival for me and my kids was all I could manage. Some of you know how desperate my situation was and helped me.

In the mid 90s Cheri Seymour, who had been around the last 2 of the years I was with Ted, approached me to join her in writing a book. Frankly, I was scared. I refused and asked her not to use my name in the book.

Cheri wrote the book, based on her experiences and documents gathered during that time. That book is The Last Circle. Cherie used a pen name, Carol Marshall. From what I hear, Cherie has had a rough time and had to go into hiding. I doubt I would have lived if I had worked with her on this project.

Gunderson has responded to Hartwell's letter, including McGauley's comments, here.

I'm not interested in the he said/she said. What I find most worrying is beyond dispute: Gunderson inserted himself into the life of a vulnerable woman at a time of great emotional distress. (A woman half his age - Gunderson was born in 1928 - and though I don't know if that matters, I think it deserves a mention.) It may have been crazy love, it may have been a love of control, it may have just happened. But it appears to me inappropriate and possibly exploitive. And appearances would seem to be important in such a line of work.

Perhaps this wouldn't bother me if we didn't already have the example of so-called Monarch deprogrammers becoming intimate with their subjects. For instance, "ex-CIA" Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien, Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler. I can't assess their intentions, and whether they represent another covert layer of control. I'll just say I imagine that accessing certain programming must be a great temptation for some men.

But of more concern than Gunderson's girlfriends are his business partners. One, Michael Riconosciuto, whom Casolaro dubbed "Dangerman," had personally modified the stolen PROMIS software to create backdoors to spy into the networks of end users. (His affidavit in the Inslaw case can be read here.) Seymour spoke also to Riconosciuto for The Last Circle, and he described for her the role the security firm Wackenhut has in the Octopus's self-financing international guns-for-drugs trade. (Riconosciuto had served as Director of Research for the Wackenhut facility at the Cabazon Indian reservation, where he'd made the alterations to PROMIS.)

Seymour writes:

One of the most surprising, and disturbing, documents I found in Michael Riconosciuto's hidden files was an envelope with a notation on it, handwritten and signed by Ted Gunderson, which read as follows:

"Michael: Raymond is arriving at LAX, 7:55 p.m., Air Canada via flight 793 from Toronto. Will have to go through Customs. This will give us another member for our drug/arms operation. Only problem [is] Raymond will probably be using instead of selling. Sorry I didn't get to D.A. office. I tried to call, but no answer. By the time I fought the traffic to the bank and did my banking, it was too late. Will be home tonight (818) 880-6238. T.G."


Then there is Robert Booth Nichols, a figure linked to both the CIA and the Mafia, who became Casolaro's highest-placed source on the Octopus. Seymour writes of a 71-page transcript of a series of tape recorded interviews between Riconosciuto, Gunderson and Nichols at Nichols' Marina Del Rey apartment in 1983:

In reading the transcript, it appeared that Gunderson and Nichols were interviewing Riconosciuto for recruitment into a drug/sting operation. Riconosciuto later verified that he was, in fact, being recruited into the overseas Lebanon drug operation by Gunderson and Nichols because of his (Riconosciuto's) undercover experience in the drug trade. ... Nichols later confirmed to me that he (Nichols) had indeed interviewed Riconosciuto with Ted Gunderson in 1983 and the transcript was legitimate, though he wouldn't state the purpose of the interview.

Here is how Seymour ends her telling of her own interview of Nichols:

Nichols studied me for the longest time, then walked over to the window and lit a cigarette. He finally commented that the CIA can cover up anything it wants, even a president's murder. He wanted to show me the power of the Octopus. "Nothing is as it appears to be," he said.

Somehow, that statement rang true. He then noted that he'd read my first book, the one I had sent him, then handed me a book entitled, "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate." He told me to read it, appraising me silently. Inwardly, I recalled a conversation with J.M. [Jackie McGauley], in which she related a conversation she'd had with Ted after a dinner engagement with Nichols. Nichols had reportedly stated to Ted that he headed a 200-man assassination team. Jackie had been too frightened to elaborate on this conversation, but had pointed out that Nichols once worked in the MK-ULTRA (Manchurian Candidate) program during the Vietnam war. This program was part of the "Phoenix Project." Interestingly, numerous publications had mentioned that Earl Brian had also participated in the Phoenix Project during the war.

Nichols' sister was allegedly a professional hypnotherapist, and Nichols himself was reportedly trained in the art of hypnotism. According to Riconosciuto, they all called themselves "The Chosen Ones," wore skull and crossbones rings, and shared a common interest, if you could call it that, in the old German SS occultism, its tribal and inner circle rites.


So here's my question: why is Ted Gunderson, self-styled enemy of Satanic Ritual Abuse, a longtime friend and partner of Robert Booth Nichols, a reputed veteran of MK-ULTRA and student of Nazi occultism? (Interestingly, when then-FBI agent Gunderson had run a background check of Nichols, he reportedly found him to be "squeaky clean.")

Issues can be black and white, but never people. Motives can be muddied, and feet can be planted in different, and even seemingly contrary, worlds. It may not make someone particularly bad; it may just mean someone is complicated. Though sometimes, the contradictions can make them especially dangerous.

So who is Ted Gunderson? I don't know. Hell, I don't even know who Cheri Seymour is, or if that is her real name. (And the scene in which she describes Nichols screening her a "director's cut" of the Zapruder film does make me, at least, question the soundness of her judgement.) But shouting "Disinfo agent!" and "COINTELPRO!" can make one feel a bit like a character in John Carpenter's The Thing, suspecting everyone, not knowing who's the monster. Still, they weren't imagining the monster. Are we?

And who am I? I know the answer, but you probably don't. So like I've quoted before (and it's the Buddha, not Bob Dylan, this time): "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

I hope Noreen Gosch remembers Paul Bishop, and keeps her guard up.

69 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

..

Jeff says:

"I think it's prudent to assume several circles of disinformation before we reach something like the truth."

The scenery always shifting. The players endlessly morphing. Prudent?
A safe bet.

"I can't assess their intentions, and whether they represent another covert layer of control. I'll just say I imagine that accessing certain programming must be a great temptation for some men."

Y’know Jeff,. Sometimes by dint of sheer doggedness,perhaps,you
come up w/ an observation that shimmers w/ brilliance: the whole addictive
obsessive/compulsive nature of this world. & it is a wholes-within-worlds construction. A chinese box . A wilderness of mirrors.

'Issues can be black and white, but never people.'

Not so. Issues are rarely black & white. It's only by the convenience of
language,linear thinking,&
Cartesian logic that even allows us to entertain the notion that issues could ever be black & white.

Ronsciuto is a fascinating case study. Is he still alive?

..

8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm... wasn't there a Ted Gunderson, ex-FBI, selling an info-packet related to 9-11 skepticism at the March 31st, 2004 San Francisco gathering sponsored by communitycurrency.org? I think I bought a copy, gotta dig it out tonight when I get home... if it is, I'll send it to you, Jeff.

mailto:e1-5w42-jsbp-0hh1@emailias.com

11:12 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Riconosciuto is a fascinating case study. Is he still alive?"

Think so, though I believe he's been seriously ill.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman
by J. Orlin Grabbe


The two men headed to the Hilton Hotel in Sherman Oaks, California in the late Spring of 1986 were on their way to meet representatives of the mujahadeen, the Afghan fighters resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

One of the two, Ted Gunderson, had had a distinguished career in the FBI, serving as some sort of supervisor over Special Agents in the early 60s, as head of the Dallas field office from 1973-75, and as head of the Los Angeles field office from 1977-1979. He retired to become an investigator for, among others, well-known attorney F. Lee Bailey. And all along the way, Gunderson, whether or not actually a CIA contract agent, had been around to provide services to various CIA and National Security Council operations, as he was doing now.

In more recent years Gunderson was to become controversial for his investigations into child prostitution rings, after he became convinced of the innocence of an Army medical doctor named Jeffrey McDonald, who had been convicted of the murder of his wife and three young children in the 1970s. This has led to various attempts by the patrons and operators of the child prostitution industry to smear Gunderson's reputation.

Michael Riconosciuto was there to discuss assisting the mujahadeen with MANPADs—Man Portable Air Defense Systems. Stinger missiles were one possibility. If the U.S. would permit their export, Riconosciuto could modify the Stinger's electronics, so the guided missile would still be effective against Soviet aircraft, but would not be a threat to U.S. or NATO forces.

..

Meeting Riconosciuto and Gunderson at the hotel were two representatives of the mujahadeen, waiting to discuss their armament needs. One of the two was named "Ralph Olberg." The other one was called Tim Osman (or Ossman).

"Ralph Olberg" was an American businesman who was leading the procurement of American weapons and technology on behalf of the Afghan rebels. He worked through the Afghan desk at the U.S. State Department, as well as through Senator Hubert Humphrey's office. Olberg looked after the Afghanis through a curious front called MSH—Management Sciences for Health.

The other man, dressed in Docker's clothing, was not a native Afghan any more than Olberg was. He was a 27-year-old Saudi. Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.

Gunderson and Riconosciuto were not on an altruistic mission. They had some conditions for their help. And they had some bad news to deliver. The mujahadeen needed to be willing to test new weapons in the field and to return a research report, complete with photos.

The bad news was that some factions of the CIA didn't feel that Oldberg and Osman's group were the real representatives of the Afghans. Upon hearing this both Tim and Ralph were indignant. They wanted to mount a full-court press. Round up other members of their group and do a congressional and White House lobbying effort in Washington, D.C.

Did the lobbying effort take place? I don't know. There is some evidence that Tim Osman and Ralph Oldberg visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn't this been reported in the major media?
http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff said...
"Riconosciuto is a fascinating case study. Is he still alive?"

Think so, though I believe he's been seriously ill."

I stopped following his case
after they imprisoned him on a trumped-up charge. Heard through the grapevine that he was suffering from cancer; that his wife was appealing his case.
At that point moved on to other things.
However, you neglected to mention one of the more curious aspects to the scene. How his group had bio-engineered a gene specific virus, that upon unleashing, would wipe out
a vast segment of the world population.
Yeah, real paragons of human blessedness.

Great article, by the way.

tx

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1:25 PM  
Anonymous Ferry Fey said...

I listened to a radio interview with Gunderson when the Gosch/Gannon questions were developing.
While I must admit that it's excruciating for me to have to listen to the smug paranoia of that sort of show, I did find that Gunderson was setting off alarm bells with me. I have little patience with the "invisible friend" claims of un-named sources whose information somehow never gets corroborated. There were a few things Gunderson said that I knew he was distorting, and the whole thing was disturbing.
I don't know that there is much he could say after this that would enable me to trust him the least bit.

2:39 PM  
Blogger bin'dare said...

Riconosciuto is a sympathetic (but complex) character to me. he has stated he regrets his connection with Nelson. but ...

The post mentions Octopus, here is how it works:
A typical scam revolves around the most popular arms for drugs cycle. Weapons purchased years before by the Pentagon are acquired by the Octopus at “book value” – meaning the cost of purchase for, say, 1980 when an assault rifle might then have had a price tag of $300 each. In 1990, this cost could easily have risen to $600 each. By acquiring the 1980 stock at $300 per rifle, the Octopus could sell it to their “client” for, say, for $700 each – including shipping - thereby making a handsome profit of $400 each. In order to replenish its stock of rifles, the Pentagon arranges to purchase the current model weapon at the prevailing price – making the tax-payer the loser.

The second leg of the arrangement sees the Octopus contract to purchase the “clients” supply of drugs. The purchase price is set well below street value, but sufficient for the client to be able to afford to purchase the arms needed. The drugs are then “cut” and distributed and, naturally, generate immense additional profits at the street level. In this manner, each leg of the transaction makes a bountiful profit. The last part of the jigsaw is to launder the illegal profits through the banking system and then invest part of the proceeds into bona fide businesses.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_octopus.htm

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not forget that Gunderson accused Art Bell of molesting children live on the air on WWCR, and then couldn't back up the allegations. I'm not exactly sure who was the disinfo agent there since both parties came away from it looking really moronic. Bell and Gunderson have both been loose cannons with penchants for making claims without concrete proof.

I could post on this blog that Groucho Marx sexually molested me. It's not TRUE, but I could post it. And if several other people pop up and say "Yes! The same thing happened to me!", does that give my lie any more validity? If Ted Gunderson believes all our stories ("they can't ALL be lying!") and champions our cause, does that give it even more validity?

At this point, I don't even *care* if Gannon is Gosch. How many of you have been busy researching some far more likely: that there are OTHER possible right-wing media shill fronts besides Talon News, currently going undetected? Oh no, that's not as juicy and edgy. That's not as fun, is it?

Jeff, this rant wasn't aimed at you, but at your fan club. Keep makin' 'em think!

4:53 PM  
Blogger humansurvival said...

John DeCamp said he was "up to his eyeballs" in project phoenix on the Alex Jones show a few weeks ago & my alarm bells went off.

"In the new, final chapter of this second edition, I tell much more about my relationship to Bill Colby, who was, in my estimation, one of the greatest patriots this country has seen, from the time that he served as our country's Deputy Ambassador to South Vietnam (but, in reality, as CIA Station Chief), and recruited a young combat infantry captain named John DeCamp to be one of his chief assistants in Operation Phoenix, right through to his role in trying to blow open the Franklin cover-up."

John DeCamp on himself, from:
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2307

makes you wonder.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, here we go. It no longer matters if anyone sorts out who is trustworthy or not. The very convolutedness of the claims and counter-claims will cast enough doubt on the subjects of Franklin, Ritual Abuse and Mind Control to drive them underground once again.

In this world, committ any atrocity you like, as long as no one can ever get their hands on a video tape.

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems a given that Decamp is CIA, he would most likely be dead if he was not. He was also a foot soldier for Colby on the Franklin case (He said so himself). That being said I'm happy the info is out there. I have to let my lefty worldview sit on the sidelines sometimes and as long as the are not cointel, then I'm glad they are in the ranks trying to expose these pedophile ss death cult scum.

As for Gunderson I'm not sure, he could be deep conintel, or they blackmail him? Or he's old and crazy from being zapped by this world.

bring me to Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien.. watching them and reading both books on her acct. I don't believe she is insaine or programmed still. GNN had worked on a documentary with them for about 18 mths. They had come to believe they may be legit, but secretive. Mark being very protective.

GNN made a trailer for HBO, it is graphic at the end and shocking. They video document her vaginal mutilation at the end. It almost made me sick.

http://www.archive.org/download/tmdg_trailer/tmdg_trailer_bg.mov

or mainpage

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=tmdg_trailer

some b-roll footage

http://www.archive.org/download/tmdg_broll/tmdg_broll_bb.mov

quicktime required

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=tmdg_broll

7:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About "Tim Osman":

"In the late 1980s, bin Laden’s star as an anti-Soviet freedom fighter had risen so high in some circles in Washington that the CIA sponsored a fund raising and informational trip to the U.S. and Canada for him. Langley arranged visas, helped set up meetings in a number of cities for bin Laden, and paid for his ticket and hotels.“He was quite charming and very articulate,” Eric Margolis, a Toronto Sun columnist who met bin Laden when he was in Mississauga, Ontario on one of his CIA-arranged stops, said on a television panel discussion in early 2002. Others who met bin Laden on the whistle stop tour said he was accompanied by one of his aides who served as a translator, and the same pair of hovering but friendly Americans introduced variously as “Mike and Jeff,” “Allan and Frank” or “Bill and Edward.” Undoubtedly, they were his CIA baby sitters and lamp lighters: Fixers who made sure that nothing happened to their charge, and who ensured that the CIA knew what he was doing and saying throughout every minute of the trip."
(www.dissidentvoice.org April 5, 2005)

8:35 PM  
Blogger bin'dare said...

And who am I? I know the answer, but you probably don't. So like I've quoted before "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

Jeff, in a moment of true brilliance, you named your blog "Rigorous Intuition" thereby ab initio setting up the tension between what-we-know/how-we-know-it and the more ephemeral gut knowledge we have. I love this blog because stuff is put out there, take-it/leave-it, eat-it/shit-it, or whatever, but here it is. A lot, of course, i pooh-pooh myself, because that is my attempt to deal with it, and in no way does it diminish the immensely important role you play.

There are lots out there who say you (or we) should look at this, this, and this, and that that, that, and that are a waste of time,
who cares if Gosch=Gannon, GHWB=evil (or Evil). Probably, they are right, but intuits have a sense that there is more to the story, that additional things need looking into, that while most factual data are denied us, there is information nonetheless to be gleaned by associations/connections/intuitions. We are not lawyers/prosecutors, we are trying to devine a truth purposely being hidden from us.

So Jeff i don't know you, i joked on DU that your visitors from the pentagon (to here) was probably a prelude to a job offer, but all that you do here agrees with my own reason and common sense. thank you.

11:01 PM  
Blogger Mitch said...

"At this point, I don't even *care* if Gannon is Gosch. How many of you have been busy researching some far more likely: that there are OTHER possible right-wing media shill fronts besides Talon News, currently going undetected?"

Excellent point.

However, I was kind of hoping for a comment from Jeff on the yearbook photos.

Anyway, I'm suspicious of alphabet agencies, too - but where else are you supposed to find people who are capable of "f***ing s*** up from the inside"?

11:13 PM  
Blogger Juke said...

Whatever it is, following it, coming along after the fact, isn't going to have much effect.
Unless there's a bigger moral force in the same game, accusing the king of malfeasance, by itself, won't do a lot.
Once you get outside the retention boundaries the sphincter threatens to unload. Sorting through the effluent is an heroic task at the best of times, and it's easy to get bogged down in the details.
Aside from fecal correspondencies, what's the unifying theme?
World dominance? Then what?
Universal mastery?
So then it's a question of whether or not there's already something or someone in that position.
How much of the old Manichaean template applies?
And what do we do with what's undeniably happening?
Getting in front of them, getting an idea of what it is they're trying for, why they're doing what they're doing, could be all that's going to work, because the individual details are going to be massive distractions as they pile up. I'm not saying ignore them - but what's the larger pattern, what's the big context; why?

11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not saying ignore them - but what's the larger pattern, what's the big context; why?

There is no unifying, identifiable "principle" that is going to make this all make sense.

Arendt points to the banality of evil. I've had a ritual abuse perpetrator tell me 'All the sluts want me and chase me'.

The guy thinks that the reason his 'slaves' keep obeying is because they are hot for him!

(Apparently it has nothing to do with the decade of torture and brainwashing that he and his brethren have put them through.)

The short and sweet of it is: Don't overestimate the perps. Just because you are reflective and intelligent does not mean that they are. If they were, they wouldn't be perps.

They don't have to be smart to stay hidden. They just have to be rich, brutal and organised. Public incredulity takes care of the rest.

Read Solzhenitsyn's stuff on Stalin and his purges - the masses lapped up the most ridiculous propaganda for decades whilst a quarter of Leningrad was being executed or transported to the gulag.

"Famine? - no, that has nothing to do with the fact that we've killed a third of the peasants. Here, have a scape goat." The government grabbed three random guys off the street, told the public they were the men somehow responsible for their starvation, and there were mass demostrations in the street calling for their immediate execution!

Hmmm ... sounds like 9/11 and Afghanistan/Iraq.

The realpolitick of it all is staring us in the face, and if we are going to fight its worst excesses, we have to come to grips with it.

12:02 AM  
Anonymous Seventhson said...

There are specific reasons for much of these events and incidences and coincidences.

There is a very real global plan for brutal global Nazi-like hegemony.

It started with Nazi Germany building on theories of ethnic superiority of the "Aryan" (now a discredited term) or "Nordic" people.

The subjugation of the "subhumans" (non-Nordic/Aryans, specifically the non-Anglo-Germans)by "superior men , and the brutal subjugation of all who do not support this Anglo-German and now Anglo-German-American new world order, is the goal.

The purpose of this goal is the necrophilic worship and acquisition of power and filthy lucre: Mammon. The power of life and death. The desire or lust for power and the ability to destroy and degrade others.

The masters of the plans for the Fourth Reich utilize the brainwashing, media manipulation and brutality - the politics of fear on a microcosmic and macrocosmic level - to secure their absolute corrupt power.

Such sexual manipulation was a core component of the Nazi mentality, the death camps, and it has its parallels in Aby Ghraib and Gitmo.

It is a perverted, and I call it necrophilic, lust for the corrupt and abominable power over others for sick pleasure.

But to achieve their ends and protect their backs (from prosecution in courts adjudicating crimes against humanity and genocide) they MUST utilize the threats, sexual blackmail, brainwashing, etc. that is clearly a part of the modus operandi documented here and elsewhere.

That and mercenary armies (now privatized) along with nationalism, blackops, psyops, and media manipulation, inter alia, all play a part in the ONE goal which still is extant which arose in the twisted mind of Hitler and his backers (including the BFEE): the two thousand year Reich run by "superior men". The PROOF of their superiority is, to them, the fact that they can actually do it to the rest of us.

To SOME ( a small minority I suspect) it is also evidence to them that their "God" (whether lucifer, satan, Jahweh, or whatever) apporves of their deeds by virtue of the fact that they have succeeded.

Hitler felt he was "ordained" by the great powers of "heaven" to rule over "lesser" humanity. In the same way the Bush evokes God and Jesus to assert that "God" is on "our" side and NOT theirs in the war on terrorism.

Religion is either twisted or simply used as another propaganda weapon in the arsenal of the depraved.

To say there seems to be no reason or ways to understand this evil is to miss the petinent facts.

It is about ruthless power, greed, abomination and the lust for evil, destructive and horrifying pleasure exhibited by those who manipulate governments, earth's resources and peoples globally.

That is the unifying principle that makes all of this make perfect sense - at least to me.

2:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is about ruthless power, greed, abomination and the lust for evil, destructive and horrifying pleasure exhibited by those who manipulate governments, earth's resources and peoples globally.

That is the unifying principle that makes all of this make perfect sense - at least to me.


Well, of course it "makes sense" - you've framed the situation within a simplistic black/white binary.

We have to engage with the reality of this situation. That means doing more then standing nice and pure above it all and moralising about the perps below. It might make us feel better but it doesn't do shit for the victims.

Believe it or not, most of the perps are men with lives, wives, kids, jobs, houses, the lot. Yes, they perpetrate atrocities, but that's hardly an exception to the rule. Crimes against humanity are more common then we admit to ourselves, at all levels of human stratification (personal, social, state). The propoganda of 'democracy' and 'civilisation' has lulled us into believing that we've left 'red of tooth and claw' behind us.

Last month, in Australia, Sydney, a mother handed her three-year-old son to two men who took him home, raped him, and electocuted him to death. It made, maybe, page 5 of the news for a day and disappeared.

Yesterday, I read about an Australia soldier convicted for possessing over 10 000 images of child porn, including photos of children being raped by groups of hooded men (sound familiar?). He also had a scrapbook containing news clippings detailing child abduction, rape and murder. He got six months.

In my mind, we are being self-indulgent when we treat ritual abuse as an aberration rather then a point on a historical continuum of terror. Keeping ritual abuse in the dark, rather then looking at it square and analysing it, means that we get to stay in bubbleland where things like ritual abuse "just don't happen".

History suggests otherwise. The human species is capable of feats of staggering extremity - genius in one corner, depravity in the other. If I get to enjoy Plato or Rushdie or Picasso, then I have to confront the depths of ritual abuse and war and horror.

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have to let my lefty worldview sit on the sidelines sometimes and as long as the are not cointel, then I'm glad they are in the ranks trying to expose these pedophile ss death cult scum."

is that whats going on though?

seems to me more like some professional "handlers" whos job it is to make sure these cases actually go nowhere at all.

decamp, gunderson, ruppert etc. etc.

there is no such thing as exposing this from the "inside". it just doesnt work that way. and why would it? it is set up masterfully by skilled architects of the highest degree (no overestimation)

this whole gosch gannon is a fantastic setup for killing both stories IMO. the average person will be spun to think they are both ridiculous, which neither are, but which morphing photos via internet as proof of anything makes them seem.

It started with Nazi Germany building on theories of ethnic superiority of the "Aryan" (now a discredited term) or "Nordic" people.


i must respectfully disagree. there is ample evidence that even Nazi eugenics programs have their ideological origins in the late 1800's early 1900's in the US & UK.

even before that.......way way way way before that.

it is a long history of subjugation and brutality, perpetrated by a reletively small group, mostly related.

the Nazi's definitly optimized the pseudo-science of Eugenics, but it is a traditionally American past time.

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Anonymous Seventhson said...

Anonymus said:

"It started with Nazi Germany building on theories of ethnic superiority of the "Aryan" (now a discredited term) or "Nordic" people.


i must respectfully disagree. there is ample evidence that even Nazi eugenics programs have their ideological origins in the late 1800's early 1900's in the US & UK.

even before that.......way way way way before that.

it is a long history of subjugation and brutality, perpetrated by a reletively small group, mostly related. ":

MY RESPONSE:

I agree on all counts. The brutality and global imperialistic aspects go back millenia - as do arguably the sexual abuse of the oppressed and powerless.

When I say "it beagn with" I also point out that it was built on older doctrines of ethnic superiority - which I agree also do go back a long way.

But the point I am trying to make, maybe a little clumsily, is that there is a specific "Aryan" NWO agenda that was consolidated in the Hitler project, financed by American capitalists and others globally (Saudi oil played a role as did the Asian operatives).

The not so hidden hand behind the scenes is this anglo-german-american "nordic" elite (with collaborators of all stripes and ethnicities - neo-cons in particular).

I recommend highly "The History of National Socialism" by Konrad Heiden who also wrote the incredibly illuminating "Der Fuhrer". A German who called himself the "first antiNazi", who began trying to expose and protest against Hitler and the Nazis in the early 1920's while in college, he lays out the "plot" for this plan developed and implemented in a new way wiothy global technology and media(Propaganda) manipulation that took advantage, for the first time for these entities, instantaneous global communication and the ability to instantly transfer information and money electronically.

Hedien escaped to America as he was a "most wanted" man in Germany.

I believe that the child sex slave trade and the national security state's utilization of blackmail and abuse ( I don't see it as ritual magic I just see it as greed, lust and depravity justified, perhaps, by a sick cultism)like Rohm and the Nazis who did the same - are all a part of this "new" manifestation of the Fourth Reich

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

..

seventhson says;

"I agree on all counts. The brutality and global imperialistic aspects go back millenia - as do arguably the sexual abuse of the oppressed and powerless."

"I believe that the child sex slave trade and the national security state's utilization of blackmail and abuse ( I don't see it as ritual magic I just see it as greed, lust and depravity justified, perhaps, by a sick cultism)like Rohm and the Nazis who did the same - are all a part of this "new" manifestation of the Fourth Reich."


Agreed.Insightful & cogent analysis.
However, that is just one strategy,
one methodology, out of many. It's not even a dominant form. It's a mutated representation, so it has a quite limited applicablity & viability.A form founded on entropy.
Within it's limited domain it has sway. Outside the walls, a straw dog.

..

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a delightfully tangled web of intrigue. Perhaps the one thing that bothers me the most is the relationship of Gunderson and Webb. If half of what Webb claims is true , then Gunderson is the lowest of the low. If what Gunderson says about Webb is true , then Webb is the lowest of the low. Why is it then, these guys,who are supposed to be crack investigators, and holders of the truth. Why couldn't they have vetted each other properly before they get into such predicaments. It's like a nest of vipers. Noreen should excercise caution when dealing with Ted. Dealing with anyone who's dealt with OBL would sure give me pause.

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Blogger Jeff said...

Mitch said:

"I was kind of hoping for a comment from Jeff on the yearbook photos."

When I saw them, I thought that settled it, they were that close to Gannon. Now, I'm not so sure. The resemblance is certainly still there, but the physical evidence in this story has never been the story for me. And doppelgangers are not unheard of in covert ops, if that's what this is. (See John Armstrong's work on "Harvey" and "Lee," for instance.)

Where I'm at right now with this story is that I suspect it's not as simple as whether Gannon is or is not Johnny Gosch. Maybe he's both at the same time. That is, his history is enough like Gosch's that we are conflating the two. And not only us, but also some nervous players who appear to be hastily covering their tracks, evidenced by the arrests of Paul Bishop and Rusty Nelson (and possibly the murder of Thompson), and the shutting down of the Des Moines indy paper the day of its Gosch piece.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For me, it's the incredible family resemblance between Gannon and Noreen Gosh that has me convinced.

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Blogger Mitch said...

Jeff said:

"And not only us, but also some nervous players who appear to be hastily covering their tracks, evidenced by the arrests of Paul Bishop and Rusty Nelson (and possibly the murder of Thompson), and the shutting down of the Des Moines indy paper the day of its Gosch piece."

Indeed, Jeff.
There is SOMETHING, anyway.

Anonymous said:

"For me, it's the incredible family resemblance between Gannon and Noreen Gosh that has me convinced."

The resemblance between Gannon and yearbook-era Guckert is much, much stronger.

11:01 PM  
Anonymous Ferry Fey said...

I was participating in the 20 or so Gannon "Wrinkles"
at Democratic Underground.

James Guckert's resemblence to the high school yearbook images alleged to be his seem pretty legitimate. The woman who said she went to the library and photographed them appears to be on the level. At any rate, there are still options available for confirming that the yearbook images are vintage and appropriate.

You need to be aware that there was another J. Guckert living in that area. I think he's the one shown on the golf team, and the one whose age is closer to that of Johnny Gosch, if I'm remembering this correctly without threads there to consult. The whole affair is extremely baroque.

We did look at the photos pretty carefully. You might find it constructive to read all twenty-some Gannon Wrinkles threads at DU, even though there is far too much chatter and banter to wade through.

What we did find confusing was that Guckert seemed to have some birthmarks that Gosch also had.

SusanG at Daily Kos recently posted a well-researched piece on Guckert's post-high school activities, though there were some areas such as the time of his alleged time in the military which have not been able to be confirmed.

Then there's the curious overlap with Nick Berg. Nick Berg's home town was West Chester, and that was where Guckert went to college. The last person to claim to see him alive, Nick's Iraqi business partner Aziz Al Taee was interviewed by Guckert.

The more we looked into Nick, the more it became obvious that nothing was as it was first seen to be or spun to be. The best collaborative research I've seen on it was in the Nick Berg thread at Alternet's discussion forum (who I believe has just been moved to Utne).

Hard to say yet if the Franklin-connected arrests
are directly connected, or if it's just one of those cases where there's a thick swirl of synchronicity that people get sucked into. There are times when it seems more likely that someone is picking up resonances, rather than there being direct connections.

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Jeff:
You said ..(And the scene in which she describes Nichols screening her a "director's cut" of the Zapruder film does make me, at least, question the soundness of her judgement.)

I remember William Cooper - the same William Cooper of whom Rush Limbaugh read a White House memo on the air during his broadcast which named William Cooper, "...the most dangerous radio host in America" - the William Cooper who was assasinated shortly after 911 in a police raid.

Cooper said President John Kennedy was killed by his driver, William Greer, with a left handed silenced pistol shot while the SS agent riding shotgun, ASAIC Kellerman, controlled the limosine. There were many other shooters in Daley Plaza, but Greer delivered the killing shot.

Watch the driver seat (right side) of this third supposedly unedited copy of the Zapruder film for a glimpse of the barrel .
Look at this clip

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff,
Thank you for your insightful comments about me and this situation.
Mike is still in prison serving a 30 year sentence. The only one who 'helps' him, I understand, is gunderson.
Mike is a brilliant man.I would encourage anyone who wants to help Mike to contact me at Jacque417@aol.com. I will pass it on to Mike.
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Anonymous virginia mccullough said...

Jeff:

I have been reading some of your material. There is so much more to Ted Gunderson/Michael Riconosciuto/Cabazon's combined stories then has been posted. I would enjoy talking or emailing you. This story is truly in its infancy. I am:
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Howdy,
Just a few notes---
Ted Gunderson is more than cointelpro. For my money he is "deep-hooked." And there may be more than meets the eye. Is the "monster" trying to turn on its creator?

Ted is from Colorado Springs - a community with a long background with mind control. The Ted went to Omaha, Nebraska as a footbal player. Football teams being one of the first group usage of mind-controlled folk. Then Ted went to FBI training, to New Haven for many years, then LA - then "privately" to seem to taint eveidence away from the elite deviant perps into much ado about "satanisim."
Think also about orphan/footballer/beefcake/Yale lawyer/Warren Commish/Appointed prexy (who appointed Boner George Bush head of CIA) Gerald Ford.

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re the driver shooting kennedy

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/9820/williamgreershot3mp.gif

Sure, it looks that way small,grainy and at full speed.

But in slow motion or still sequence, what looks like the driver's gun becomes the passenger's hair gookum.
There is a cartridge whizzing by in the background, which has often been ignored as a piece of paper.
Once the duplicated frames were removed, it looks like a tumbling cartridge.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/kennedy

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Recently I read an on-line article about a mad cow disease outbreak in Afghanistan. I thought this was a rather odd country to have been hit suddenly by this disease. Most cases are reported in the countries that covertly manufacture this type of bioweapon (the US & UK and Canada, by guilt of proximity).

This then made me think about the government black ops program regarding bogus alien abductions and cattle mutiliations several years back.

Some speculate that this was just psychpaths in power (PIP) engaging in their favorite blood ritual sacrifices; but it could have been to provide them with "free" bovine tissue for genetic research.

It would look rather suspicious if the government suddenly went into the cattle business. Besides why operate business legitimately when you can do it illegally and have so much fun scaring so many people.

Of course alien abductions are a great way for kidnapping people for genetic testing and for practicing mind control techniques.

Plus they are a great diversion away from the usual culprit in all these bizarre happenings.

I am sure the local tabloid would give you front page coverage for the "scoop" of your alien abduction. But how bored they would be if you tried to tell them that it was really a USG black psyops.

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Well, I honestly think it can be chalked up to pure disinfo. I have met Gunderson a couple of times, at a 9/11 conference and a Freedom Rally. These events aren't huge and spectacular, so I don't know the purpose of staking out one of these events would be. I asked him about Tim Osmon. He said he was doing his job. Fighting communism. When my brother went to buy Franklin Cover-up, he didn't have his money on him. Ted told him he could take it and send him the money or bring it back the next day. Another time, I bought something and told him to keep the change. He ended up giving me something else for free to take with me.

If that is what disinfo people do, then I have been duped. Because I have only had positive experiences with him. He's old. He hangs out at his table hoping people will stop and listen. He pushed the hell out of Franklin,I don't see the purpose behind it, if he was part of the evil-doers, I don't see the point in bringing this up over and over. If he was damage control inserted within the mess, he didn't and still doesn't do a great job. Because not only did I obtain my copy of Franklin Cover-up from him, but also the Conspiracy of Silence doc, which was supposedly destroyed. He even goes as far to show you the TV guide listing for this doc set to air on Discover Channel, but then disappeared from library microfishe copies. I really just can't and WON'T believe it.

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Anonymous N. Taylor said...

Hello... fine blog.

I think on the issue of Nazi/Aryan supremacy, you have to first take a huge step back and view the tableau at large.

How and why have we even come to *know* of Hitler as the 'villain to end all villains'??? Consider this deeply for a time. As I'm sure you can appreciate by your very being here, there is a rabbit hole a million miles deep.

To really look at this IMO, you have to get past your knee-jerk reflexes when you hear the term Nazi. And 'the occult' for that matter. Within the realm of the occult you may just find people working for truth just as you find people/entities gone power-hungry mad.

I submit that: A) actually the opposite of a culture of Anglo/German/Aryan supremacy is taking place.

That, or: B) perhaps it is a combination of the two opposites - distributed on different strata. What I mean is:

A) I dare you to watch MTV for 3 hours and report back objectively what you see here. What men are the 'hot stuff' of the hour? Is there really such a thing as free association? If I as a Juan Q. Public hispanic decide I want to hang out solely with hispanic people, no prob. If I as a white person decide I want to hang out w/ white people only -- suddenly, big problem, and the big black box in my living room will waste no time informing me so.

If any current big-time subjugation exists, I see subjugation of the ordinary man of White/Caucasian/European stock. (not to deny the continuing centuries-old subjugation of poor blacks, hispanics, palestinians, etc.) And where does the Semitic ethnicity fit in?... more questions.

Is it not possible that breaking down the four races [African, Asian, White, Indian(hisp)] really serves a long-term NWO plan, that they envision for the masses?

What is wrong with a child of the Nordic race? nothing. What is wrong with a child of the African race? nothing. What is wrong with a child of an Asian mother and White father? or an African mother and Indian father? also, nothing. Each of these is a beautiful expression of nature. What I would humbly submit here however is that when you see interracial dating promoted by Viacom, Paramount, et al (maybe you don't see this; I often do) -- and such a heavily-laden message in a such a relatively short amount of historical time -- something else might be at play.

Each of the four races might have something very instructive to teach us about Living-and-Being in the world. And they can only teach the rest of us, if they remain to thrive!

B) another thing that occurred to me, more in line with the referenced 19th century UK eugenics programs -- maybe the power/political/finance elites, out of sheer arrogance or misplaced vanity *DO* want to keep their bloodlines Nordic or otherwise eugenically 'clean'. I'll grant you that possibility. Especially considering that it looks like the British monarchy most decidedly would *not* and did not put up with an Al-Fayed impregnating the Princess. :-( as we can surmise, a tragic story there.

So, maybe they're doing their own eugenicism *while* promoting mixed-race marriage to the masses. If so, what would account for that duplicity? What's going on? Is it all vanity, do they get a little rush from (speaking from their perspective) imagining themselves as the 'pure' and 'powerful' above a 'lower' breed of 'mutts' for the next thousand years?

For me, it is instructive to examine the roundtable of all of these questions.

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